{"id":94074,"date":"2023-01-04T22:02:34","date_gmt":"2023-01-05T03:02:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/schillerinstitute.com\/?p=94074"},"modified":"2023-01-04T22:03:24","modified_gmt":"2023-01-05T03:03:24","slug":"ray-mcgovern-on-tucker-carlsons-report-of-the-cias-role-in-jfks-murder","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/blog\/2023\/01\/04\/ray-mcgovern-on-tucker-carlsons-report-of-the-cias-role-in-jfks-murder\/","title":{"rendered":"Ray McGovern: On Tucker Carlson&#8217;s Report of the CIA&#8217;s Role in JFK&#8217;s Murder"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\"><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ray McGovern: On Tucker Carlson&amp;apos;s Report of the CIA&amp;apos;s Role in JFK&amp;apos;s Murder\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/aoD4NogY6PU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\">The Non-Release of the JFK Assassination Documents<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dennis Speed<\/strong>\u00a0(moderator): This question is for you, Ray. It has to do with [Fox News host] Tucker Carlson\u2019s broadcast of December 15th concerning the JFK assassination. The reason I\u2019m bringing it up is because of its relationship to what you\u2019ve talked about\u2014the expanded military-industrial complex that you\u2019ve dubbed the MICIMATT (the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think Tank Complex).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here\u2019s a bit of what Carlson had to say, which gets to the point. He stated\u2014among other things in what was a 30-minute discussion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>In 1976, long forgotten, the House of Representatives empaneled a special committee to re-investigate the JFK assassination. Their bipartisan conclusion? Jack Kennedy was almost certainly murdered as a result of a conspiracy. But the question is, a conspiracy by whom? The obvious subject would be the CIA.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/pompeo_mike_7-16-20-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-94132\" width=\"317\" height=\"234\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/pompeo_mike_7-16-20-1.jpg 939w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/pompeo_mike_7-16-20-1-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/pompeo_mike_7-16-20-1-768x568.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 317px) 100vw, 317px\" \/><figcaption>DoS\/Freddie Everett<br>Then Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo delivers remarks on \u201cUnalienable Rights and the Securing of Freedom\u201d at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, July 16, 2020.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Carlson talked about how the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 had mandated the full disclosure of all documents by 2017, and that Mike Pompeo, then the Director of the CIA, withheld those documents from the public, and that the same thing happened again two days ago, when the Biden administration also withheld documents. Carlson went on to say:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>We spoke to someone who had access to the still-hidden CIA documents. A person who is deeply familiar with what they contain. We asked this person directly, \u201cDid the CIA have a hand in the murder of JFK, an American President?\u201d Here\u2019s the reply we received, verbatim: \u201cThe answer is, yes, I believe they were involved. It\u2019s a whole different country from what we thought it was. It\u2019s all fake.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tucker Carlson did not name that source. He said, \u201cThis is not a \u2018conspiracy theorist\u2019 we spoke to, not even close. This is someone with direct knowledge of the information that once again is being withheld from the American public.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The broadcast continued in that vein. Then, near the end, he said:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Many people have known this for a long time, but people who knew would include every director of the CIA since November of 1963. That list would include Obama\u2019s Director of the CIA, John Brennan, one of the most sinister and dishonest figures in American life. That list would also include, we are sad to say, our friend Mike Pompeo, who ran the CIA in the last administration. Mike Pompeo knew this; we asked Pompeo to join us tonight, and although he rarely turns down televised interviews, he refused to come.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ray, the question is: given the fact that you were a CIA analyst for 27 years, and you also returned various commendations that you got as a result of your differences and clear opposition to what happened, particularly in Iraq in 2003, what is your view of what Tucker Carlson said? What is your view about this issue, and what is your view about its relationship to the problem of an honest executive today, and an ability to get to the truth of things?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Six Ways From Sunday<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Ray McGovern:<\/strong>&nbsp;Let me begin by quoting New York\u2019s Senator Chuck Schumer, who should have lost to Diane Sare [in the recent midterm election]. After Donald Trump won the Presidency in 2016, the very first week of January, he arranged to get himself on [Rachel] Maddow\u2019s [MSNBC] show. Maddow said, now Senator Schumer, you have something to say about the CIA and how Trump is criticizing the CIA and taking off after them. What did he say? Schumer said,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>He\u2019s being very foolish. You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you. I thought Trump was a pretty smart businessman, and maybe he is. But he\u2019s being very foolish to take on Intelligence.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Schumer was telling us what the situation is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/jfk_and_the_unspeakable.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-94088\" width=\"186\" height=\"281\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/jfk_and_the_unspeakable.jpg 332w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/jfk_and_the_unspeakable-199x300.jpg 199w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 186px) 100vw, 186px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The best book about this is something called&nbsp;<em>JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters<\/em>, written by James W. Douglass, who happens to be a friend of mine. He pored over all the foregoing books\u2014this is about 12 years ago now\u2014put them all together, and said, yeah, JFK was done in by the Deep State. The CIA, the parts of the Army, parts of the FBI knew about it, and parts of the Secret Service. He was done in, why? Because after the Cuban Missile Crisis\u2014which relates to the kind of situation we face now\u2014after the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK realized how close we had come to blowing up the world, he worked out a deal with Nikita Khrushchev, started a test ban treaty; started all kinds of negotiations toward rapprochement. With whom? With the Commies!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, you had to have been alive\u2014I was serving in CIA under John Kennedy just for several months. But you had to be aware of the atmosphere. Kennedy was hated because he didn\u2019t support the invasion of Cuba, the Bay of Pigs invasion. He told those CIA types:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>This sounds like a cockamamie operation to me. But if Eisenhower approved it, go ahead. But look, we\u2019re not going to commit the U.S. Air Force or the U.S. Army or the U.S. Armed Forces to rescue you if it screws up.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">pursued it? We have then CIA Director Allen Dulles\u2019 coffee-stained notes from his desk, saying that Kennedy said we would not commit U.S. forces, but when push comes to shove, he will not be able to avoid committing U.S. forces.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u2018JFK and the Unspeakable\u2019<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, what happened? Kennedy stayed true to his pledge not to commit U.S. forces. The whole thing fizzled out, and Kennedy was heard to say to a neighbor up there in Hyannis Port, \u201cI\u2019d like to take the CIA and scatter it into a thousand pieces.\u201d That\u2019s sort of a declaration of war, right? Kennedy and Allen Dulles didn\u2019t get along very well at all. It took him several months to fire Allen Dulles. You don\u2019t fire a well-connected patrician like Allen Dulles, whose brother is the Secretary of State, and who has all kinds of\u2014let\u2019s put it this way\u2014\u201csix ways from Sunday to get back at you,\u201d without paying the price.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It was the substantive issue of John Kennedy trying to figure out how to live with the Russians in a more decent, peaceful way. And the fact that he could not be trusted to support fully the cockamamie schemes of CIA, that did him in. You don\u2019t have to take my word for it. Read Douglass\u2019 book,&nbsp;<em>JFK and the Unspeakable<\/em>. It\u2019s a quote from Thomas Merton, of all people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/dulles_allen_w.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-94098\" width=\"244\" height=\"345\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/dulles_allen_w.jpg 658w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/dulles_allen_w-212x300.jpg 212w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 244px) 100vw, 244px\" \/><figcaption>NARA<br>Allen Dulles, the CIA Director that Kennedy had fired, was brought in to orchestrate the Warren Commission proceedings to cover up the truth about his assassination.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Today, what happened when, under Trump\u2019s watch\u2014he\u2019s still not being wise to the ways of Washington\u2014he got up on the day that the Congressional mandate said he has to release the rest of the JFK documents hidden by the CIA and the FBI. He got up in the morning without telling anybody, and said, \u201cToday\u2019s the day Congress said I have to release those documents. I\u2019m going to release them.\u201d Four hours later, in the middle of the afternoon, he said, \u201cOh, I changed my mind. I\u2019m not going to release them. The CIA and FBI said it\u2019s too sensitive; we\u2019ll revisit it in six months.\u201d That\u2019s what he said. It doesn\u2019t matter what Congress said, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Six months. McGovern makes a little note in his notebook. In six months, it fell through the cracks; nobody remembered that they were going to revisit in six months. Hello! Do you have to be a master psychiatrist or psychologist to figure out that maybe if they don\u2019t want those things released, it\u2019s because it shows that they were involved?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">After the Kennedy assassination, all kinds of irregular things happened. The Warren Commission was set up by Lyndon Johnson. Who did they pick to pretty much orchestrate the whole commission proceedings? It was Allen Dulles! Allen Dulles pretty much orchestrated that whole thing. Did LBJ know about all this? James Douglass tells me, yeah, the evidence is pretty clear. Johnson may not have been involved in the actual assassination, but he knew what the plans were; he was not agnostic on that. LBJ appoints Earl Warren, and Earl Warren appoints Allen Dulles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Political Parties Are Collapsing<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What\u2019s my point here? When honest people\u2014people like me\u2014said \u201cwait a second. This doesn\u2019t parse. There\u2019s some suspicion that the CIA might have been involved in the assassination, and now you\u2019re appointing the previous CIA Director?\u201d Guess what we got? Conspiracy theorists. \u201cYou guys are conspiracy theorists.\u201d That\u2019s where the term got its impetus, and to this day, often when you say the truth, and when you stop saying the truth, you\u2019re considered a conspiracy theorist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-94108\" width=\"553\" height=\"261\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations-1024x485.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations-300x142.jpg 300w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations-768x364.jpg 768w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 553px) 100vw, 553px\" \/><figcaption>U.S. House of Representatives<br>The U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations met from 1976 to 1978, ostensibly to investigate the assassinations of Martin Luther King and President John Kennedy. They endorsed the Warren Commission findings that the FBI, CIA, and Secret Service were not involved.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both parties are equally corrupt in all this; both parties are equally afraid of the Deep State. You don\u2019t have to just listen to Chuck Schumer to talk about \u201cthey\u2019ve got six ways from Sunday to get back at you.\u201d Talk to the Senators who knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction [in Iraq], but couldn\u2019t say it, because it was classified. Talk to the Senators who know all about Afghanistan. Again, we come back to the Senators and the Representatives who are getting the take from the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think Tank complex, the MICIMATT. Putting it in their pockets, appropriating more money for arms building, selling more money, taking a share of that money, putting it in their pockets, getting re-elected. Hello! Is this a great country or what? That\u2019s what it takes; everybody\u2019s afraid, and everybody\u2019s on the take.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Democrats tried to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. It\u2019s documented now. Obama, in October; Hillary Clinton, also in October 2016 authorized all this Russia-gate stuff. We know about it; it\u2019s in court testimony. Not many people know about it, but it\u2019s in court testimony.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then, what happened in 2020? My goodness! All of sudden, Hunter Biden\u2019s computer comes out, and what does the Deep State do? They hire 51 former senior intelligence agents to say, \u201cRussian operation. We can\u2019t prove it, but it\u2019s got the earmarks of a Russian operation.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What am I saying, here? I\u2019m saying that the media and the Deep State are joined at the hip now as never before. Both elections, or at least the following election, were probably affected by the fact that no one could tell the truth; Twitter wouldn\u2019t allow it. Only Glenn Greenwald would tell the truth about Biden\u2019s laptop, and how Joe Biden himself was on the take.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The 2016 thing? They tried and failed to derail Trump, but they sure got him for the four years after that. He couldn\u2019t do a damn thing he wanted to do in terms of creating a more decent relationship with Russia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s a sad story. Is the Deep State strong? It sure as Hell is. Is it still around? Of course it is. John Brennan [the former CIA Director] mentioned before. He\u2019s a big commentator on MSNBC; James Clapper, [former Director of National Intelligence], is on CNN. It used to be that the Agency controlled the media; now the Agency&nbsp;<em>is<\/em>&nbsp;the media.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"464\" height=\"600\" src=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Leonore_3_Kennedy.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-94118\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Leonore_3_Kennedy.jpg 464w, https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Leonore_3_Kennedy-232x300.jpg 232w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 464px) 100vw, 464px\" \/><figcaption>Preview the issue&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/leonore-magazine-art-science-and-statecraft\/\">here<\/a>&nbsp;and see the full table of contents.<br><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Schiller Institute<\/strong>&nbsp;has just released Volume 2, No. 1, of its new journal&nbsp;<em>Leonore<\/em>, which opens with the following from Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.\u2019s October 20, 2002, article, \u201cThe Historical Individual:\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe principal cause for the doom of any culture, is that mental disorder typical of popular opinion, which is to assume the validity of any assumptions currently adopted by a learned profession, or religious teaching, or more crudely adopted as \u2018generally accepted popular opinion\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The 88-page issue, contains eleven articles, including the first English translation of one of the last letters by the 15th century scientific and political genius, Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa, which has been called his \u201creligious last will,\u201d and an original translation of Friedrich Schiller\u2019s \u201cOn the Sublime,\u201d described as \u201cperhaps his most refined discussion of the process of the development of the soul.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The preview includes the ground-breaking article by Jason Ross, \u201cVernadskian Time: Time for Humanity,\u201d which addresses \u201cthe paradoxes posed by Vernadsky\u2019s scientific work,\u201d which open the way to a an entirely new set of definitions of space, time and matter, taken from the standpoint of the human mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The journal is yours as a monthly Schiller Institute contributing member. Memberships start at $5\/month.&nbsp;<strong>Sign up<\/strong>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/schillerinstitute.nationbuilder.com\/leonore\"><strong>here<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Non-Release of the JFK Assassination Documents Dennis Speed\u00a0(moderator): This question is for you, Ray. It has to do with [Fox News host] Tucker Carlson\u2019s broadcast of December 15th concerning the JFK assassination. The reason I\u2019m bringing it up is because of its relationship to what you\u2019ve talked about\u2014the expanded military-industrial complex that you\u2019ve dubbed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":25,"featured_media":93987,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[842],"class_list":["post-94074","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","tag-lang-en"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/94074","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/25"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=94074"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/94074\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":94143,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/94074\/revisions\/94143"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/93987"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=94074"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=94074"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2.schillermeet.de\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=94074"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}